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Angler: Fale mais devagar, por favor. I'd like to see this page as a kind of "active study" type. If you don't speak portuguese, please, write any other language (english is most preferable, of course. Итак. (So) I've told you about the song performed by Elis Regina, Tiro Ao Alvaro. There were some sequences of human sounds , something just like that: "Teu olhar mata mais do que bala de carabina" Does someone feel like blowing this up? Well, I've got it as " your look kills more than a bullet of the rifle" Oh, I'm sorry, there goes the whole thing: De tanto levar, frechada do teu olhar meu peito ate parece sabe o que Taubua de tiro ao Alvaro num tem mais onde furar num tem mais. De tanto levar, frechada do teu olhar meu peito ate parece sabe o que Taubua de tiro ao Alvaro num tem mais onde furar Teu olhar mata mais do que bala de carabina, que veneno estricnina que peixeira de baiano teu olhar mata mais que atropelamento de automover, mata mais que bala de revorver. Couldn't help myself comprehending some special moments like automover etc. Does anybody know English version? P.S. 2 BX Do you think it's kinda way stepping worldwide?
Angler: Roncevaux пишет: No kidding that you have "Sadia" pizzas there, man!! This is really weird! Here they sell that pizza a lot in Rio too... at my fridge at this very moment there are three Sadia lasagnas :D Well, I've tried only once.
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victor: Hello everyone. I haven't been at the forum for a while being busy with lots of work, but it is getting interesting having someone from Brazil expressing his thoughts. We had a Brazilian movie on TV about a month ago I'd like to share my impressions on. It called "Contra Todos" and it was in Portugues ( luckily with English subtitles, otherwise I wouldn't have understood much) and it was about life in Sao Paulo. The movie is a bit of a shoker, about a religious man who leads a middle class life, but at night selling drugs and killing people. I guess we have some Russian movies like that, too, we call them "чернуха". One can't judge on a country by those films, but I am faraid many people do. About Valera's possible trip to Argentina, no it doesn't feel home at all :) Buenos Aires is sorta nice, but I personally had a feeling like being in Moscow in the mid-eighties, but with all the jazz of what happened in Russia after perestroika at the same time :) Cheers
Roncevaux: victor пишет: We had a Brazilian movie on TV about a month ago I'd like to share my impressions on. It called "Contra Todos" and it was in Portugues ( luckily with English subtitles, otherwise I wouldn't have understood much) and it was about life in Sao Paulo. The movie is a bit of a shoker, about a religious man who leads a middle class life, but at night selling drugs and killing people. I haven't seen this movie, and I went now on Google to find info about it. It's good that you're seeing fairly recent brazilian production, as this movie is from 2004! From the technical cast I can pick the names of Fernando Meirelles, whose production skills are now famous outside Brazil, and Lívio Tragtemberg in the music, which is a very experience avant-garde composer. It's important to stress here that SP and Rio have VERY different ambients for excluded people (I mean, for the so-called "lower layer" of society). In short, in SP they live in the borders of the city and are not organized as a distinct power with its own laws, like in Rio, where the hills are spread over the entire city, inside rich districts as well as poor ones. In SP people want to get the life that the "average citizen" has. And their own music expression, the Hip-Hop and Rap, claims their rights to get this better life. In Rio's Funk there's no such claim for improvement. People from the hills are proud of their own display of power, and their lyrics are joyful, in a style that could be associated with what in USA is called "Gangsta Rap": songs about how a drug dealer took the rival hill, almost like modern "Illiads", with all the details of strategy, the kinds of weapons etc.
Валера Хренников: Victor, the question here is: do you have an interest in Tango? Cause that's the focus point. Otherwise BA can look like anything else. See, I am in part connected with that culture. I go to dance Argentine tango socially (to milongas) on a regular basis, not very often but like once a week and the thing is - I am pretty satisfied with what I get from it without moving anywhere, this is how this culture is well-transferable to a different soil. So visiting BA for me is just a smooth continuation and a genuine extension of something I am kinda already used to in some way. I already know some Argentinians in person, I saw others from a short distance performing, dancing or teaching, I expect to see some Russians, Americans that I know on their visit to BA. There are some who even moved there for good. So it feels relaxed. Now when I am in Moscow I go to a couple of milongas as well and the trick is: that in part creates a "home feeling" :) But in eighties they didn't have that feature :) And I can tell, it feels a little like an international club. In Moscow you dance and chat with a Russian girl on her visit from London; you stumble into someone you met before in U.S. and the weird thing - you are used to see each other in "milonga" settings so you almost pass each other but then you're like: what the hell are you doing here?! People from different countries criss-cross a lot for real within channels of this culture, that's amusing. Roncevaux, yeah, create a topic on your "Russian" questions if you like. Just create any topics as you wish.
Roncevaux: Валера Хренников пишет: So visiting BA for me is just a smooth continuation and a genuine extension of something I am kinda already used to in some way. This is very nice, Valera! It seems an excellent experience, to know people worldwide based on their interest on tango dance. I didn't know such society exists :) If I were more fond of physical activities I probably would search for a branch of such organizations here in Brazil. Some time ago I imagined a plot for a conceptual album of my band based on an "alternative future" where Argentina would conquer Brazil, there would be Tango Schools instead of Samba Schools, and the rythym (I never know how to spell this word!) would be a mix of "samba-enredo" and tango. I've even wrote down how the rythym would sound like!
Валера Хренников: Roncevaux пишет: I've even wrote down how the rythym would sound like! I would be interested to hear that if you have any, even short sound samples. You know, besides old-fashioned tango they have such a great composer as Astor Piazolla who kinda made almost the same as Tom Jobim did to samba: he made tango "compatible" in some way with jazz which really helped to get this music accepted in U.S. and worldwide. Of course, bossa nova is still better blended and better assosiated with jazz then tango. Since Jobim was able to accomplish even more than Piazolla on the international scale. And then, of course, that peculiar brazilian kind of swing, rythmical sophistication in original samba helped a lot.
Roncevaux: Валера Хренников пишет: I would be interested to hear that if you have any, even short sound samples. I think it took form only in my head, but surely some day I'll write it down and sequence on the computer! Then I'll let you know :)
victor: To Valera: I like tango, but mostly in Piazolla's interpretation. If you actually dance, yes, BA is a mekkah for this sort of thing. Though I like Carlos Gardel and listened to few of his songs before I went to BA, it was nice to see that he is still very well respected there. Before BA I went to Santiago de Chile, and in general I liked the atmosphere there better than in BA. But maybe it was because of the economical crisis in Argentina at that time. If you go to BA, I guess it worth crossing the Rio de la Plata to Montevideo in Uruguay to add it to the trip. They also love Tango there and they have some nice musicians ( Jorge Drexler, for example). I wish I did that, but I had to have a visa for Uruguay, which was a surprise, as both Chile and Argentina were visa free.
Валера Хренников: victor пишет: If you go to BA, I guess it worth crossing the Rio de la Plata to Montevideo in Uruguay to add it to the trip. Isn't it how Gardel died? I mean do you have to take a plane to get there?
victor: Roncevaux, thanks for your comments about the movie and the life in Rio and SP. I have not been to Brazil yet, but it looks like SP will be the place to visit first. I have heard that Nick Cave ( Australian singer ) spend most of his time in SP and loves it. It would be nice to get there one day. Valera, I didn't know Gardel died by going from BA to Montevideo. Has the plane crashed? One can fly, but there is a ferry aswell. Rio de la plata between BA and Montevideo is very wide, looks almost like a sea. There is 80km, or so I think between two banks. Speed boat takes 4 hours or so. One can also drive to where the river narrows and there is a bridge there, but it is a fair distance, I think 250 km or so. They have projects on a huge bridge and if it happens one day, two cities will be really close to each other.
Валера Хренников: victor пишет: Valera, I didn't know Gardel died by going from BA to Montevideo. Has the plane crashed? I thought so 'cause somebody told me that but I was wrong. I mean he did die in a plane crash but en uno otro lugar, en Medellin, Colombia: http://www.todotango.com/ENGLISH/gardel/cronicas/medellin.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Gardel That's nice to know from you about all these transportation options. Speed boat sounds interesting to me.
Angler: Валера Хренников пишет: en uno otro lugar Kinda started hating Potuguese man? Just joking.))
victor: We had a program on Curitiba, Brazil on TV. I missed it, have only seen the trailer. Curitiba was much praised as a real 21 century city and from what I saw in that short trailer, it looks very modern and nice.
victor: Got this from the local shop today :))
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